I’ve met my share of brothers from the community. After sarging with them and
watching them in the field, I have seen the same exact things over and over.
They all run nearly the exact type of game, and have the same problems. I am
not criticizing other people’s models, I am just providing a analysis of the
EFFECT that these models are having on the bulk of the people I meet. I would
estimate about 90% of random community guys I’ve met fall into this category.
Again I emphasize that it is not an inherent flaw in the traditional ASF
models, but more how people are interpreting these models, along with other
factors related to societal conditioning.

This post will serve to help transition those people who are interested from a
“nerd-like” entertainment frame to a smooth natural approach which is
inherently more seductive and effective particularly in endgame.

I have not posted anything advanced in a short while, so this post is the
culmination of the past few months of my work. Enjoy!

Contents:

1. The two fundamental elements of a pickup.
2. The difference between techniques, mindsets and beliefs.
3. A paradigm shift for ASF models. A full analysis of pop-ASF game vs. natural
game.
4. Design the frame for endgame
5. The Continuous Flow of Action.

Related Posts:
-Confident Rapport by Seth Parker
-Rooting: Problem with the who lies more opener by Style
-Insights - Thinking beyond the medium by Razorjack
-Rewriting the Rules for ASF by Imperfect

1. The Two Fundamental Elements Required for Conscious and Deliberate Pickup.

Any active pickup where the man decides who he wants, approaches her and
consciously moves the interaction to sex requires only two things.

They are:

-Strong and unwavering belief that the girl wants him.
-An interactive context which can lead to isolation.

The great part about this is that any context will work. This represents the
differences between all of the methods you see here on ASF: Be it Gunwitch with
his strong rapport assumption and ordinary conversation, or be it Mystery’s
routines which fit into a precise and linear system. They are both just
interactive contexts which can lead to isolation. The true firepower, however
is the set of beliefs driving the context.

The reason why there is so much focus on context, is because it is something
that can be learned quickly. It’s very easy to learn a few jokes and tell a
few stories and memorize a few openers. Internalizing good beliefs on the
other hand, usually takes months or even years. So you will see some guys on
here telling us to ignore the belief / inner game stuff and just develop a
strong context. While it may be beneficial to develop a really strong context,
we must take care that our execution of techniques isn’t inhibiting the growth
of good beliefs or installing limiting ones.

The fastest route to mastery is to continue developing strong beliefs and at
the same time become familiar with a variety of contexts — get a lot of
experience under your belt. Adopt a really great inner game program, and then
go into the field and work your techniques. Learn to handle as many tough
situations as possible - large sets, daytime isolation, amogs, direct
approaches, etc. Realize it can take quite some time before your beliefs make
a significant enough change such that you achieve the kind of success you’re
really after.

2. Techniques, Mindsets, Beliefs and how they are related.

On the most superficial level, we have techniques. A technique is something
that you say or do while interacting with a woman. We all have a great deal of
conscious control over which techniques we use. On the flipside, techniques
are the least effective part of who you are and quite useless without the
deeper levels mindsets and beliefs.

At the very deepest level, we have our beliefs. Beliefs determine your
reality, and are shaped by your identity. Unlike techniques, we have very
little conscious control over our beliefs. They are so far below the surface
of our awareness that it is nearly impossible to change them at will. There
are probably zen monks who can consciously affect their beliefs on command, but
then again, those guys aren’t trying to learn to pick up women on an internet
chat board — to the best of my knowledge, anyway.

Now what most people ignore, are the mindsets behind the techniques. This is
the frame through which we deliver our techniques. A mindset determines the
internal dialogue that you experience throughout the pickup. A mindset can be
applied to a group of techniques, and a group of mindsets is what makes up a
belief. Razorjack’s thread “Insights - Thinking beyond the medium” provides a
great explanation of mindsets. What he refers to as thinking beyond the medium
is just assigning a mindset to each group of your techniques. It simplifies
your pickup by redirecting your focus of attention. Instead of remembering 20
different technical details, you just have one mental focus - a specific
mindset.

Mindsets are easier to change than beliefs, but not as easy to learn as
techniques. Exerting conscious control over your mindsets is the most
effective way to affect your inner game, since they are in direct contact with
your belief system.

Example of a mindset:

Take the c+f line “Whoah, pointy shoes! They’re nice, but I feel sorry for the
little elf you stole them from, who’s now running around barefoot.”

You can deliver the line with the mindset “She’s hot so I have to show her I’m
indifferent / not impressed by her, so she thinks I’m better than her.” -or-
you can deliver the line with the mindset “I care about this woman, I’m
enjoying the interaction, and I am joking with her to make her laugh and feel
good.”

Obviously the latter is more effective, as the former will come off insecure.
Despite the fact that you are saying the same words, because you are using two
different states of mind, you’ll get two dramatically different results. Not
only will your results be worse, but carrying the former mindset around will
only do harm to your belief system. It presupposes LOWER VALUE and lack of
attraction. No good.

The end goal is to change your beliefs, since they will ultimately have the
greatest effect on your game. Simple repetition of techniques without the
proper mindsets or with incorrect mindsets will do damage to your belief
system. You need to adopt great mindsets to insure proper development of a
belief system.

3. ASF Paradigm Shift.

The traditional model in use by the majority of ASFers I’ve met is the
following:

-Assume that girls must be “hooked” in order to be interested in you.
(Sometimes true to varying degrees)
-Approach with prepared opinion opener designed to engage girls, meanwhile
feigning disinterest.
-Assume since you’re approaching her, she’s automatically more valuable, so…
-Go right into story to in order to display higher value, which will generate
the attraction which was previously not present.
-Continue to tell stories, tease girls until you get clear indication of
interest.
-Phase shift into “rapport / comfort” which consists of ordinary conversation,
dropping the personality she was interested in initially.
-Bait her into qualifying herself to you, and no matter what she says, SOI her
for that. (This step ain’t so bad)
-Isolate and escalate. (This one isn’t either

Six Common Sticking Points in Execution of the Traditional Model.

Sticking Point #1.

The first problem with this approach is that people mouth canned openers
without a context for them. Style had an entire post dedicated to this point
alone, so I won’t go into detail here. (Rooting - problem with the who lies
more opener)

If you want to use opinion openers either: A. Genuinely care about the topic.
-or- B. Make sure it’s obvious that the opinion opener is just an excuse to
talk to her. (In this case, ask it and then quickly change topics)

Sticking Point #2.

Secondly, guys spend hours and hours on this website, learning material,
preparing a routine stack which is designed to engage girls. These guys go out
of their way to learn these girly topics of conversation which the majority of
us aren’t really interested in, just to get female attention. And then on top
of that, they pretend that they aren’t really interested in fucking the girls!
Then, the moment they “stack” these girly openers and DHV’s, she’s CONVINCED
they want something and she knows exactly what they are up to. Feigning
disinterest now becomes highly incongruent. I mean seriously. To go out of
your way to learn girly topics of conversation, just to have permission to talk
to chicks is SUPPLICATION. Entering a females reality just so we can talk to
her for a few minutes with the hopes of fucking her is ridiculous!

Here’s an analogy. What if a girl went out of her way to learn all about
sports or cars or (insert masculine topic here), even though she didn’t really
like or understand these things - just so she could relate to guys in
conversation? This girl doesn’t really care about these things, but is
pretending to, and spending hours and hours on the internet learning about
them, just so she has permission to talk to guys. Does this telegraph that she
has an interesting life? Is she telegraphing that she is a valued commodity?
NO! Exactly the opposite. If a girl like this came up to me, and talked about
things that interested me, I might engage her for a bit, but would I be
ATTRACTED TO HER? Hell no. Now what if she kept changing subjects and kept
desperately trying to find something I wanted to talk about… would that make
me more likely to find her interesting?

It may appear to work marvelously because it gets new guys into set, because
now they are actually talking to girls whereas previously they stood there and
did nothing, having absolutely zero context. But the majority of people
reading this do not need that kind of content to be interesting to women.
Learning girly topics of conversation WILL get you to open more sets
consistently - but it’s under an entertainment / girlfriend frame, and while
things will seem great that night, she will be almost guaranteed to flake. You
won’t get laid.

I’ve questioned SHBs (after I’ve slept with them and they’re more honest) about
this. These are girls who go out and are almost always the hottest girls in
the club, wherever they go. This is what one of them told me:

“Yeah sometimes we talk to guys out of pity. If a guy seems really weird or is
dressed gay or something, we’ll talk to him just so we can laugh about him
later. It’s fun. He thinks he’s getting somewhere, but then at the end we run
away from him laughing.”

Girls will talk to sufficiently weird enough guys who “seem gay” for THEIR OWN
ENTERTAINMENT. This is a fact, and very common with hot girls. They will sit
there and eye code each other, loving it, not because they are sexually
attracted, but OUT OF PITY. Don’t design your game so that you are becoming
this type of guy. Sure you are opening more sets, but it’s for the wrong
reason.

Sticking Point #3.

Demonstrating Higher Value. The reason why this is detrimental once again goes
back to the mindset behind it. Feeling the need to demonstrate higher value is
the same feeling that an AFC has when he starts bragging about his job or car
or girls he’s banging. Sure, you are using a more sophisticated technique, but
the mindset and beliefs behind it are EXACTLY THE SAME.

Never go out of your way to demonstrate higher value. Assume higher value!
You’re the fucking man! You have higher value automatically!

I tell plenty of stories in set, but I do it for fun, because I’m having fun
doing it — not with the intent of “proving myself” to the girl.

Sticking Point #4.

It is impossible to fake disinterest 100% of the time. Even if you memorize 5
stories, 3 teases and absolutely MASTER the backturn, it doesn’t matter because
you’ll fail the next test she throws at you. Women are CONTINUALLY testing
guys they are attracted to, and most of it doesn’t fit a predetermined pattern
– IT’s NONVERBAL. I get tested all the time by women. They’re thinking “Who
the fuck does he think he is, this skinny little fucker… I’m gonna see if
he’s for real. I hope he’s not wasting my time.” So they have to test you.
They don’t want to fuck some ingenuine guy that faked the first 10 minutes
really well. You have got to be the real deal through and through, my friend.
And faking any more than you can back up, will just insight more intense tests
which you are bound to fail.

Don’t fake disinterest unless you can back it up 100%.

Sticking Point #5.

Relying on IOI’s in order feel like it’s *on*, instead of assuming attraction.
Thinking too much and calculating your behavior based on watching for IOI’s.
Don’t wait around for IOI’s before feeling good about the sarge. Her interest
will be based on your vibe anyway, and if your vibe is dependent on watching
for predetermined IOI’s, then you are leaving it up to chance.

Let’s face it, most IOI’s that people look for are pretty ordinary behaviors
that women exhibit when you talk to them anyway. Some of the popular one’s
I’ve heard are:

She asks you where you’re from - This is one of the most common pieces of
smalltalk when you’re first getting to know each other. She may be asking you
this just to be friendly, it doesn’t mean she wants to fuck you.

She touches you - women are actually more likely to touch you if they aren’t as
attracted to you, as a way of playing with you. If a woman senses extremely
high value, and is a bit intimidated, she is less likely to touch you. She is
also less likely to touch you first if you are very direct. Of course, if you
don’t even have a chance, she won’t touch you at all. Either way, unreliable
as an IOI.

Remember, one of the two things necessary in pickup is the belief that the girl
wants you. It may be difficult to believe at first but keep reminding yourself
of this, and train yourself to see *everything* she does as an IOI. Is she
looking at you when you talk? It’s on. Is she contributing to the
conversation? It’s on. Is she standing in your physical proximity? It’s ON!

Sticking Point #6.

Dropping the personality that initially attracted her as a part of a “phase
shift”, mistakenly thinking it takes X amount of time to attract a woman, or
feeling the need to “transition into” X,Y or Z.

It sounds like three different points, but really they all stem from the same
type of beliefs and mindsets. They come from leftover society programming like
“It takes a long time for women to become attracted.” or “Men have to earn a
woman’s attention and attraction.”

If you do actually do well to convey a fun personality to a chick in the first
few moments of meeting her, such that she is attracted to you, you should
maintain that same fun personality while getting to know her better and
deepening your connection. Intersperse your c+f and playfullness with your
rapport. But at all costs, stay congruent and do not become someone else
entirely.

On the flip side, do not stay in a perpetual attraction stage where you are
running material for the upwards of 10 - 20 minutes. That is WAY too long. If
you use a couple of fun pieces to open a set, and they respond well to that,
they have already made a positive judgement of you. Keep it light on the
material and rely more on sharing positive energy with the set, and
particularly your target.

Also a lot of people believe that you need a ‘transition’ to do certain things
- especially kinesthetic related actions like touching, kissing, and
cavemanning. You do not need a transition for these types of things. You just
need to do them with the full certainty that she will enjoy it. Decide what
you are going to do, and do it like you mean it.

Natural Game.

If you’re going to make the transition to natural game, start out simple. It
takes some getting used to, and requires attention on a couple of different
levels. It may seem awkward at first, especially if you are use to the
traditional indirect game model discussed above. But if you work with it and
gain even just a baseline competence, you will:

-Improve your closing rate, avoiding ’sexless frames’
-Reduce your flaking
-Focus more on the interaction and enjoying the process
-Allow your true attractive personality to bloom
-Develop an incredible belief system

If you would still prefer an indirect type of approach based on routines and
canned material, it would surely be beneficial to implement these mindsets
anyway, along with correcting all of the previously mentioned sticking points.
It can do nothing but improve your results.

Of course there are some differences that some may consider to be drawbacks:

-Her initial impression of you becomes increasingly important and is
predominantly visual and auditory based. This doesn’t mean you have to be good
looking, but it does mean you need a tight “image” including style,
bodylanguage, tonality and facial expressions. She is going to size you up
based on your energy and vibe, and will interpret everything you say through
that filter.

-There is no more masking insecurities behind indirect techniques. You will be
forced to confront your limiting beliefs head on, and handle them once and for
all. I actually think this is an advantage, but it may be scary for some
people to confront their deepest fears and depend on their core identity to
attract women. Guys with self-hatred issues and poor self image may shy from
this type of thing, telling themselves it would never work, despite the fact
that it is the solution to all of their problems.

-Your opening percentage will be lower. You will get blown out faster from
certain sets. You can persist on these, but it is likely that they would have
not led to anything anyway. In this way, it acts as an efficiency screen and
which saves you from wasting your time.

Naturalized Seduction Model:

1. Assume Attraction, adopt mindset that you are going use your personality to
make her feel great.
2. Open direct. This includes direct compliments on her beauty or remarks
about the environment, or even a simple “Hi.” If you are still hesitant to use
direct openers, ask her for an opinion that you’re actually curious about.
Your opening bodylanguage MUST be congruent to your intentions.
3. Go directly to a vibing / rapport type of interaction. Be playful with her
and get to know her. If you tell stories, make sure they’re fun, and not meant
to impress her. Lead the interaction via a continuous flow of action.
(explained below)
4. Lead smoothly and confidently to escalation. This could mean you instadate
her, venuechange her or close her.
5. Repeat steps 3 and 4, until you isolate and fuck her.

This is a very simple structure, but it’s effectiveness depends on the mindsets
in the next section.

4. Designing the Frame for Endgame

Natural game is based more on mindsets than anything else. Adopt the mindsets,
and allow the techniques to flow. You will find yourself inventing your own
tips and tricks and posting them on here for others to check out.

Mindsets are essential to any game, particularly one with minimal structure
such as the Naturalized Seduction Model.

-Mindsets-

Approach:

The game» starts before you walk up. A woman’s impression of you is largely
determined by what she sees before you open your mouth - that combined with the
impression you make on her in the first few seconds upon opening. People have a
tendency to generalize the type of person you are as fast as possible, which
makes everything in the beginning very influential on the remainder of the
interaction. I think that it is often downplayed how important it is to have a
very strong visual image based on your style, dress and bodylanguage. You will
hear girls often saying ‘he was cute so I talked to him’ or ‘he was cute so I
let my girlfriend stay and talk to him’. Do NOT underestimate the impression
you are making visually. We talk all the time on here about it being a
limiting belief that you do not need to be handsome, but that does NOT apply to
your style, overall grooming and bodylanguage. This stuff is vital.

One of the reasons why I avoid opinion openers is because of the subtle frame
of *needing something from someone*. Sometimes I think they are about a half
step up from a person in the mall asking you for a few moments to fill out a
survey — very unromantic and asexual. This is just me however, and I do know
a few guys who use them with great success because of their high consistency of
opening. It is a matter of preference, I suppose but I like to start the
romantic vibe from the very instant I walk up. I don’t give up any power by
needing someone’s opinion - the girl’s #1 objective is to IMPRESS ME from the
very start.

Teasing, C+F, Busting:

Some people don’t like to combine this type of thing with their direct game.
To me, this is one of the best parts about direct game. I love teasing and
busting on girls. The beauty is, if you are running a direct game, she KNOWS
you’re just playing with her.

The way I like to think about it is ‘floating’ your indirect tech (c+f, MCR,
busting, push/pull) above a very solid and confident direct vibe. That is you
are vibing direct with your bl, facial expressions, warm tonality, but at the
same time having fun with her. You are making her feel good through humor
because you enjoy her.

Affecting her Emotions:

It is a well known fact that we should engage girls on an emotional level.
Touch her emotions. Trigger her emotions, yet people are still confused about
how to actually do this. You don’t ‘talk about emotions’ with her. You cause
her to experience different emotions through a variety of ways. Off the top of
my head I can think of:

-Displaying your emotions through facial expression and tonality when you tell
stories
-Talking about your passions, let’s her have a taste of your potential emotions
directed toward her
-Being unpredictable, her uncertainty will cause emotional response in her
-Creating situations where she experiences an emotion (ex. SOI’ing her and then
not calling her for a few days - she’s ecstatic, and then curious and scared)

Logistics:

There is no set structure to pick-up. We are artists, remember? You are
creating the experience for her so that it is unique. It’s fine to follow a
predictable structure at the lower levels, but it’s like a kata in martial
arts. When it comes down to real world situations, while having a loose
structure you must adapt and improvise in an aesthetic way. Take pride in your
work and create a wonderful EXPERIENCE for the woman. Give her the fantasy.
Allow her dreams to come true. Be that man she’s been waiting for.

Closing / Venuechanging:

The state of mind you should have when interacting with a chick should be one
of ‘relaxed and relished certainty’. Don’t rush things. Don’t ‘watch’ for
IOI’s. In other words, you shouldn’t be dependent on her, or too reactive to
her. Imagine being a hunter with a high powered rifle, and you’re hunting a
dear in some enclosed space. You know that any moment you CAN kill the dear -
but instead you choose to relax and enjoy the experience because of that
certainty. You continue to relish in the experience, enjoy the chase, and do
it when at the absolute perfect moment. It also reminds me of having some kind
of dessert or maybe a delicious bottle of champagne that you could open at any
moment and enjoy, but you put it off, because you’re enjoying the anticipation
so much. Treat closing a woman exactly the same as these types of moments.
Enjoy your interaction with her being 100% certain that it will lead where you
want it to later on.

5. The Continuous Flow of Action

One thing I am realizing over and over again:

*The time factor is completely irrelevant to pickup.*

Time is usually a huge limiting belief for most people. People generally feel
that girls need some quantity of time in order to:

-become attracted
-become comfortable
-leave a venue with you
-provide contact information that won’t flake
-become turned on

This again, is leftover society programming. Let go of the need to make pickup
difficult or complicated. In some ways it is kinda complex, but release the
desire to make it so.

My flaking ratio is very good. Not 100% perfect, but pretty damn close. The
average time it takes for me to get a non-flaking phone number is between 30
seconds and 5 minutes. No more - it’s just not necessary. Let me explain why:

After a first meeting, she is going to walk away with some kind of impression -
a memory of the encounter. Now the way the mind works, is that it distorts
time around really strong impressions. We remember each event as a series of
mental pictures and sounds with varying intensities. The intensity is
determined by the emotions present at the time, and how rare or scarce those
emotions are. If you walk up to her like no man ever has, and completely rock
her world for a few moments, thrilling her with your masculine vibe, she will
never forget you!

Thinking back to the encounter, it’s very hard to determine time objectively.
She’s not thinking “Well, he walked up, and said a few things to me, but only
stayed and talked for 3 minutes. I don’t think I should meet with him - that’s
not enough time.” What she is thinking is “Wow, this guy came up to me, and he
was amazing. It was so romantic and seemed so right. He was cute, charming,
and he made me feel so good. I can’t wait to see him again!”

Only do what you need to create a strong impression on her - and that
impression is completely time-independent. It is more based on:

Visual Impression / Identity - BL, style, facial expressions
Auditory Impression - tonality, pacing and rhythm
Emotional Content - vibe, connection, expression of emotion
Continuous Flow of Action ->

The Continuous Flow of Action is a fancy way of explaining ’smoothness’, and it
achieves a couple different things:
-Let’s you take the lead and control the encounter
-Allows her logical mind to shut off
-Let’s her trust you and feel comfortable immediately
-Makes everything seem ‘right’ and natural

A continuous flow of action is best described by a LACK of the following
things:
-weird pauses and indecision
-hesitation
-waiting
-looking for approval or other responses (IOI’s)
-overanalysis
-overthinking

While you should not do these things, it is even more important that SHE does
not do these things. In order to achieve a continuous flow of action, you need
a minimal structure, quick responses and a lot of confidence. I will
illustrate with a few examples.

Cold Approach (Assuming time is important)

1. Guy walks up, delivers opener goes into story.
2. Girl reacts positively.
3. Guy feels he needs more attraction, goes into another story, irrelevant to
first one.
4. Girl reacts positively again.
5. Guy waits, thinks of what to do next.
6. Guy starts getting some rapport, asks questions.
7. Guy waits some more thinking he needs more time for a solid close.
8. Guy asks some more questions, unsure if she’s attracted enough, looking for
IOI’s.
9. Girl is confused about his lack of confidence and doesn’t understand his
true intentions so says she’s gotta go.
10. Guy tries last ditch effort and attempts to close.
11. Girl doesn’t give number, because she’s being congruent with step 9.

Cold Approach (Continuous Flow of Action)

1. Guy walks up, delivers opener goes into story.
2. Girl reacts positively.
3. Without hesitation, guy immediately starts to connect, asking basic
questions. (School, work, etc)
4. Guy teases a bit about her answers.
5. Guy realizes he doesn’t have much to say, so gets to the point.
6. Guy says “Well I’m off to meet some friends, but let’s do coffee sometime.”
7. Because guy is clear and confident, girl agrees, solid close.

Back to your place (Assuming time is important)

1. Guy walks girl into his place.
2. Girl sits down on couch, guy does also.
3. Guy thinks about what routine he needs to spike BT.
4. Guy starts spouting non-sequitur routine to give her time to be turned on.
5. Girl confused, closes up a bit.
6. Guy not seeing IOI’s, waits, thinks of another routine, starts to deliver
it.
7. Girl gets up and says she has to go.

Back to your place (Continuous Flow of Action)

1. Guy walks girl to his place.
2. Guy tells girl to take her shoes off.
3. Guy sits her in front of the tv, and turns it on.
4. Guy goes to fridge and prepares 2 glasses of red wine.
5. Guy comes back and toasts to good times.
6. Guy tells short joke, girl laughs.
7. Guy goes for kiss.

The idea is that you provide her with instructions at every point and make it
clear how she should respond. Intentions are always clear, actions are always
confident and calculated. The man knows the entire plan from point A to point
B, and always assumes she’s ready to go. No hesitation, no indecisiveness.
This is truly what attracts women - much much more than *any* canned material.
Her emotions are engaged 150% on overdrive. You are putting her IN THE ROMANCE
NOVEL.